Not so frequently asked questions

disclaimer: the text was written really fast, expect some weird sentences :P

emesene cam/p2p/voice/custom emoticons/display pictures/handwrite/etc support

emesene 2 will support them some day, but they will not be implemented on the next alpha/beta release.
why? because I prefer to have a stable and maintainable base from which I can add that support later and keep the application stable and clean.
That was one of the failures of emesene 1, I wanted to add all the possible features and I never refactored or designed the application in a way that will make it maintainable, now there are bugs that are really hard to find/fix because of that, and you see that right now, no one wants to fix/maintain emesene 1, and that is not good. I want a documented and well structured base so I can get help from more coders that can understand and modify emesene 2 without having to read a mess of code.
So, I will make a release that will let you chat, do contact list operations, log and some preferences, and when that is polished I will start to work on more advanced features, some of them may come fast since we implemented them on emesene 1, some of them may take some time since MSN protocol changes all the time and voice/video are really platform dependent.

the will be available, but not in the next weeks.

report bugs

nobody is maintaining emesene 1 except some cleanup made by dx, if you want to report bugs go to emesene.org/trac but don't expect a fast response.

emesene 1.0.1 on windows (empty contact list)

there is an internal build of the latest trunk for windows it has some bugs that must be fixed, j0hn is working on that, I will see if we can make a release of it the next week (I didn't knew that people used emesene on windows.. :)

mac version

there are some instructions here http://emesene.org/trac/wiki/MacOSX my idea with emesene 2 is to make a cocoa version, but I have used a mac only 10 minutes on my whole life so if i dont get access to one of them maybe someone else will have to do it.
The code on emesene 2 is structured to make easy to implement other protocol support and other toolkits so if someone is interested..

emesene and python 3.0

python 3.0 is a transition release, not every library that we use is supported on it right now, we will code it using python 2.6 with the -3 switch and when all the libraries are available and python 3 is supported on the main distributions we will make the switch.

emesene 2 multiprotocol??

no, emesene 2 will not be multiprotocol, emesene 2 will be a MSN client, but since MSN is closed I feel like I'm helping to keep people using MS products, and since I use a Gtalk a lot lately I decided to test if e3 was designed as I thought to support jabber, I made the basic gtalk support on one night so it didn't consumed too much resources :D.
If you use the revision prior to Gtalk support you will see that nothing changed, that's because emesene 2 is still an MSN client, but now we add Gtalk support, that means that emesene 2 is not intended as a jabber client, you have gajim, pidgin and others for that, but only. Emesene 2 will not support other protocols, just those two and I won't sacrifice any MSN feature for Gtalk.

• If a feature is on MSN and not in jabber it will be implemented on MSN and deactivated on Gtalk mode.
• Advanced features of jabber will not be implemented if there is no MSN counterpart. (use gajim for that, it's a great client)
• No more protocols supported
• No multiaccount support, you either use one MSN account or one Gtalk account
• MSN by default, Gtalk support changed on settings

and if you see, it's not hard to have more features than gtalk ;)

language support on windows

no main developer has windows installed on his machine so it's hard to test and add windows features, and language support doesn't work out of the box for us, if someone wants to be the windows maintainer, they are welcome :).

if you have more questions..

do you see something strange?

well, that's my gtalk account... ;)

One question.

What would you like to read on the next post of this blog?

if you have some doubt or something you would like to know about the project or about something related, please comment and ask for it, I will try to post about the ones that find useful for the readers.

I expect the comments.

How to test development versions of emesene?

If you want to test development versions of emesene, then this is your post! :P

A development version is one that is not yet released, and can be on different stages, for instance:

• Alpha versions: not all the features available, unstable
• Beta versions: almost all the features there, needs testing.
• Release candidate: will become final version if no big bugs are found during testing.

on emesene we have a stable version (1.0.x), an unstable version (1.1.x) and an alpha version (code name mesinyer, a.k.a emesene 2).

All those versions are stored on our version control system that can be found on sourceforge (http://emesene.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/emesene/).

to test one of this versions you need to have a subversion client installed.

on linux you can install it from your repositories, something like

sudo aptitude install subversion
su -
yum install subversion

and so on..

on windows you can download a really nice client called tortoise svn

the first thing you need to do is to download the version you want to test, the 3 versions above are located at:

• emesene 1.0.x: http://emesene.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/emesene/tags/emesene-1.0/
  
• emesene 1.1.x: http://emesene.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/emesene/trunk/emesene/
  
• emesene 2: http://emesene.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/emesene/trunk/mesinyer

these URLs are used to view the repositories.

on linux you run the "checkout" command that downloads the sourcecode for the first time:

svn co http://emesene.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/emesene/tags/emesene-1.0/ emesene-1-x

svn co https://emesene.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/emesene/trunk/emesene emesene

svn co https://emesene.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/emesene/trunk/mesinyer emesene2

depending on which version you want to download.

now that you have the code, cd to the folder and run emesene

• python Controller.py # to run emesene 1
• python emesene.py # to run emesene 2

once in a while you may want to update the folder, that means, to download all the changes that where made to the repository. To make that, cd into the folder and then do:

svn up

that will update all the files.

emesene 2 alpha 1 screencast

Some stats about emesene

these are statistics about the trunk repository of emesene.

emesene stats

About emesene 2

This post will explain a little about what emesene 2 is all about, what e3 is and what is the relation with amsn 2.

The status of emesene 2 (at December 31 2008):

Login window with auto completion and remember settings.

The main window with a simpler and nicer layout.

main window with search enabled (pressing ctrl+F or pressing the search button)


The conversation window with conversation theme and emoticon support.

it's in early alpha development, so no bug reports yet, no crying and only use it if you are an extreme sport fan :P

There are still a lot of things to do, I expect to release a usable alpha or beta on the first days of February.

Why I'm developing emesene 2?

I had a lot of ideas about how the next version should be, and amsn2 had an architecture already defined, a MSN library already defined and other things that didn't led me try new ideas, so I started emesene 2 to test this ideas. (read more on the "what about amsn2?" part).

For instance, now the gui is really separated from the protocol library, and the protocol api is well defined so I can work on jabber support on the future.

All the protocol stuff runs on different threads, so the main thread only works on GUI stuff, so no more GUI freezing :)

The code is well structured, documented and validated using pylint and following the PEP-8 guidelines, also I will post some documentation for starters on this page to help people know where to start.

what about e3?

since I coded emesenelib I wanted to rewrite it from scratch, I thought the design of e3 a long time ago, and the idea was to make it multithreaded and with a clean API. I think I'm getting there right now and I'm happy with it.

what about amsn2?

Since the beginning our commitment was to provide a GTK gui, so all the gui code on emesene 2 is separated from the logic. That means that they can take the code of the GUI and with minimal cleanup have a complete GTK frontend for amsn2.

I also coded other modules with reusability in mind, like the theme, configuration and xml parsers, so if they find it useful, they can take it and use it (it's GPL code :D).

that's all for now, I will keep posting when new things come. The next post will be about the structure of the code.

Status report

about emesene 1.x:

the development of this version was pretty low the last months mainly because it's hard to maintain (the code is a mess in some places) and there are no developers willing to help to close bugs (if you want, please help us!).

the last days dx was trying to close some anoying bugs, he is still on it and I think it will make emesene 1.x better to use.

I had little to no time in the last months, so the time I had, was to code for emesene 2 (read below), this month I will have time to advance on emesene 2, so expect some updates about it in the next weeks.

about the new version:

I will make individual posts about the new version (code name mesinyer), but let's say that it's a full rewrite applying all the things that I learned over the development of emesene 1 and trying to do a stable, mantainable and extendable code base. The code is pretty alpha but usable, I expect to do some alpha releases on the next month.

We are back

I made the last post on this site a year and a half ago, and I'm still getting comments and mails that come from this site. That means that people still get to this site instead of the official site.

I started a blog on the other site that never took off, it seems that people didn't knew about it or something.

and since the forum and the blog were hacked some days ago because of a bug on the forum, I decided to start using this site again to keep posting about the project status, python coding, emesene coding, e3 coding and some random stuff.

as always I expect your comments.

new site

the new site is here

emesene site
emesene forum

main site moved

from now on go to www.emesene-im.com.ar to talk and read about emesene, all the news
and everything else will be given in the anounces forum.

if you dont want to create a user for just one post you can use the public user
(user:public password:public)

if the site fails to load retry, the hosting works weird sometimes

still alive.

this week i started to study so the project got a small gap, but today i had some time and i fixed and closed all the bugs in the tracker (11) , so please check out the latest version and keep testing.

of course i know that there are some more bugs but its easier to fix bugs that are described and have a traceback so please use the tracker.

avatar support (beta)

today i coded the support for sending your avatar and amazingly it worked
( tested on aMSN, gaim and kopete ), the code still needs some modifications but
its a good start.

about receiving others avatars it works now only with kopete and kmess, i need
to check that

this feature isnt fully integrated so you will have to wait some time..

for now here is a screenshot.

Report

currently im working in the avatar stuff, right now im able to receive the avatar from
kopete, kmess and trillian, i have some troubles with gaim, aMSN and WLM that i cant figure it out, but i guess i will find the problem sooner or later :D.

i have fixed some bugs:

• tango theme can be loaded again
• the font properties apply to all conversations
• the image on the tooltip is back on linux
  

i also changed the logo from the login window, it will be (i guess) the default logo from emesene (thanks to Vinicius Depizzol )

xmms and rhythmbox plugins thanks to roger duran.

also should be pointed that we are refactoring some parts of the code that needed it, so you wont see any change but we will.. :D

as allways i want to remember that you can contribute with emesene in lot of ways
* translating (into new languages or updating the ones we have)
* coding
* fixing bus
* testing
* doing artwork (we need to replace the smilies and new themes will be great)
* spreading the word about emesene
* packaging
* doing plugins
* etc.

please if you can do something you are welcome

Spell check support

thanks to roger duran we have a new plugin that support spell check.
atalavera modified the main menu layout.
im working on the display picture (nothing to show yet).

so keep testing and commenting...

emesene release 120107

a lot of modifications since the last one:

* huge refactoring of code
* bug fixes
* a better conversation window
* Now is possible to setup the tab position on tabbed chat conversations
* close the switchboard on socket error
* notification on message waiting and typing
* new header on conversation
* new list of users in group conversation
* pt_br translation uploaded
* when status change on the menu changes in the combo
* now emesene remember your last status..
* when there are 2 users in a group chat and 1 leaves the title in the tab changes to the nick of the only user left.
* now when someone start a new conversation the new tab will be the current tab
* soapManager now try 3 times to make a soap request and not forever.
* if the user click with mouse's right button on tab label will see a popup menu with all tabs label and users status
* putted a ComboBoxEntry in place of Entry in login fields window, so the user can list down all the users logins without type any text. The completion is working too.
* removed a event that didnt let you copy text from the conversation window
* added a 'Clear conversation' button to the conversation toolbar
* Added the user Online/Offline relation to group name in contacts list
* show time stamp now is a global attribute and not local to a conversation
* Added send and clear buttons to inputwidget in conversation window
* the text in a tab is saved when the tab is changed. (each tab has is own text)
* Added color scheme funcionality to preferences window. Now we get the colors to build the interface from the config file
* Added the initial setup file :). This setup crates a shortcut item on Desktop os posix systems according to desktop-free-standards

As always if you have a problem remember to delete the .config/emesene1.0 directory and please report bugs and feature request, now almost all the features are there and if the remaining bugs are fixed i can start working on file transfers, display pictures and custom emoticons so.. lets hunt some bugs..!

back to beta

since we have a new developer on emesene (Yguaratã C. Cavalcanti) we started to add new features and refactor a lot of code so emesene will have some unstabilities and huge bugs this days while we move and modify a lot of code and add some stuff.

please keep older versions if you want _some_ stability :D

emesene RC4

emesene on looking glass

some of the modifications

* replaced Entourage with ContactData, simpler and mantainable code, now support multiple groups per contact, easier to support other protocols since we ahave a defined API for contact management
* more descriptive exceptions
* fixed move user to group and added copy user to group and delete user from group.
* descriptive output for exceptions in login
* typing shows in every tab
* configuration dialog for the sound plugin
* only one autereply sent per conversation
* debug escaped
* handle exceptions in soapManager
* add pending fixed
* spanish translation updated
* some code modified to separate emesene from Msnp13
* a lot of modifications that dont remember because of the svn problem

remember to erase the .config/emesene1.0 directory

EDIT 07 january : i have uploaded a new version to sourceforge in the same RC,
i have added notifications of new mesages in tabs, fixed the bugs when blocking and unblocking,
i have added a new languaje (taiwanese), fixed the problem that didnt show blocked contacts.
 new option that allow to select where the tabs should appear, and some more stuff.

new stuff

• now you can see a user that is in multiple groups
  
• users can be copied or moved to another group
• users can be removed from the current group

If somebody can make a cool "loading" gif will be apreciated

information

i made important modifications to Msnp13 library to allow users in multiple groups
make the code simpler and make it easy to mantain, also i have in mind jabber support in a future (after file transfers, custom emoticons and display pictures :) )
so the svn code is a little unstable please keep older versions if you want something
more or less stable and wait until tomorrow to make a svn up, if you are a
extreme user update and help me fix the posible new bugs :P.